Rape and Death and Batman, OH MY!
by alyssaroyse

I am a writer, a woman, an entrepreneur and a film buff. So, when I saw (and really hated) The Dark Knight, I couldn't resist writing a funny little piece about how the Dark Knight can serve as a cautionary tale for common mistakes that entrepreneurs make. I wrote it up (granted, not my best writing,) and left for a day with friends on a nearby island. I came back to death threats, vulgar insults and comments the likes of which I've never seen anywhere.

The post was read more than 10,000 times (why can I not get that kind of traffic on my real site?) I shook as I started reading the comments. Then I stopped shaking, it was just surreal, a sick joke. Surely people like this don't really exist.

Here are a few comments that were left on my blog yesterday. There are nearly 200 of them, so I've just included about half a dozen (of the nearly 2 dozen that other readers asked me to remove.)

  • Get a life you two dollar whore blogger, The Dark Knight doesn't suck,
    you suck! Don't ever post another blog or unless you want to get ganged
    up.
  • Who let this woman out of the kitchen?
  • you are clearly retarded, i hope someone shoots then rapes you
  • alyssa darling, why don't you make yourself useful and go have a baby
  • I think a certain "author" needs to go back to playing house before she breaks mommy's computer.
  • I'm sure you'd have no trouble finding a top flight job in either the
    housekeeping or food service industries. And please, change your pad.
    Thanks! :-)
  • if you were my wife i would beat you
  • This is why women are TOO STUPID to think critically and intelligently about film; AND business for that matter.

Holy vitriol Batman. What have I done?

I'm fascinated by this. Really. I don't even really know where to start in processing the fury - and threats - that i have wrought. I should be shot and raped for not liking Batman? Since I disagree with them, I need to change my pad? Because I don't like Batman I have proven that women are too stupid for film and business.

What was most interesting to me, however, was how it felt to be judged so virulently because of ONE thing that I did - in this case, dislike Batman. How it felt to actually feel in danger - jeesh, these people want me raped and shot just for speaking my mind, being myself. OMG. While i would never compare this one blog post to the generations-deeper segregationist vitriol that threatens people of different religion, skin color and sexual orientation, it was an eye-opener for me. A privileged white woman who has never experienced such violent hatred.

But the larger issue for me is the violent hatred that is clearly just under the surface. Who are these anonymous posters? Men, I'm fairly sure. Are they working at the desk next to you? Are they dating your sister your best friend, your mother, your daughter - you?

Not one comment questioned the business ideas presented. They all, instead, referred to my menstrual cycle and clearly retarded intellect. Of nearly 200 comments, maybe 3 didn't mention my gender.

What does this say? Really, what do you think it says about our society, our men, our ability to discuss ideas, the hope we have to work together. For chrissake, all I did was say I didn't like a movie!

Unsure of how to process all of this, I did a quick Google search for stories about other bloggers who have received similar responses on their blogs. Here's a shocker, the first one I found was a woman, who pissed off a bunch of male tech bloggers.

Kathy Sierra, a prominent technology blogger, is considering never
posting on her blog again because of the severity of threats she’s
received online.

Sierra has been the target of anonymous death threats for the past several weeks, according to the last post on her blog,
Creating Passionate Users. The blog is for people “passionate about the
brain and metacognition, most especially — how the brain works and how
to exploit it for better learning and memory.”

In her latest post,
dated Monday, Sierra included graphic written and photographic threats
she has endured, as well as her feelings about the threats. “For the
last four weeks, I’ve been getting death threat comments on this blog,”
she writes. “But that’s not what pushed me over the edge. What finally
did it was some disturbing threats of violence and sex posted on two
other blogs … blogs authored and/or owned by a group that includes
prominent bloggers.”

So I started wondering if maybe we women just aren't supposed to be talking about boy stuff, you know, stuff like business, technology and Batman?

What do you think? Is there a freaky vein that I've tapped in to? A larger lesson to be learned? A way to get out of this kind of dialog and into something more constructive?

 

Comments

 

Completely unnecessary

Honestly, I have to wonder what is really going on when people leave comments like that. I defended a friend who was being virtually burned at the stake on a message board a few months ago and suddenly had offensive messages in my inbox. Luckily, I did not internalize what was said, but it also taught me that you just don't know what kind of people are reading your stuff and taking it literally. 

I am sorry to hear this happened to you just because you had an opinion. Makes you wonder what the world is coming to.

L.

Art Slam

www.candidartanddesign.com/artslam

 

yikes!

I'm sorry. that is terrible that people treat you that way just because you did not like the movie. I mean those are some pretty severe comments. I have never quite had that exprince but I have recived some pretty rude comments in the past on my blog or e-mails from people who read my blog. So I can sort of relate. I know it makes it so hard to blog and scared to say what you think. But don't let these people scare you.

 

Sorry for the creeps ...

It's hard to accept feedback from people who disagree with our perspective, especially when they passionately disagree. But I have to say, after reading your original article and the comments, I thought that most of the comments addressed your premise, not your gender.

The comments were from people who felt like your article was ironic because, as a business model, 'The Dark Knight' was wildly successful; and yet you hold it up as an example of poor business decision-making.  How can it be such a poor business model and simultaneously one of the most successful business ventures of this decade?

When counting references to gender, I get a lot less than "maybe 3" that didn't mention gender. And for those inappropriate comments, I agree, they were way out of line, uncalled for and down-right scary.  I'm truly sorry some creeps posted those terrible things.

Sincerely,

~ Totally Consumed

 

i don't mind disagreement

In fact, I usually hope for disagreement, because that's where conversation and growth happen. What is astonishing to me are the calls that I should be staying at home having babies and / or raped and shot. Or simply irately calling names.  That isn't dialog, that's just verbal violence.  

It's also interesting to me - and this i could have made more clear - that people assumed I was looking at box office return of the movie, I wasn't, I was looking at the quality of the film, which is totally subjective.  But that's not here nor there because my objection isn't to being disagreed with, it's to being berated and threatened and harassed as a result of a disagreement.

Truly frightens me as to what filth and grim lurks below the surface.  

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Alyssa Royse

Just Cause It: A Web Site To Save The World

Start Her Up: A Blog for Women Ent

 

moderating

doesn't anyone moderate those comments?

 

Believe it or not

Between the P-I and I, I think we've deleted about 50 or so comments.  And I have now closed comments on it, so that pretty much stopped it.  I actually would have left them all up just so that people can see, first hand, the kind of stuff that happens. It's hard to be outraged by something that is just hypothetical...  well, here it is.  Unfortunately, the ones that got taken down were the worst ones - the most violent and threatening and gross - so they were also the most powerful ones that might enrage and inspire others in to action! 

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Alyssa Royse

Just Cause It: A Web Site To Save The World

Start Her Up: A Blog for Women Entrepreneurs

 

GREAT ARTICLE

I read that yesterday, and it's HORRIFYING!  I never took any of the threats a statements personally or seriously, but am horrified as to what this says about people......  In the light of the 2 kids they cite in the articles who committed suicide over the cyber bullying, and Kathy Sierra giving up her blog and speaking engagements.....  It's crazy. What can we do?

I put out a query on a PR list and got more than a dozen responses in an hour of people this happened to....  what's wrong with these trolls?

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Alyssa Royse

Just Cause It: A Web Site To Save The World

Start Her Up: A Blog for Women Entrepreneurs

 

Trolls and the Dark Knight

I didn't like the way gender was used in The Dark Knight. The male characters treated women as property to be fought over. What's her name, the utterly forgettable paragon of virtue who Batman and Two-Face struggle to own, only speaks up to deny that her life is worth anything or to try and decide which patriarch gets her (and the city) as a prize.

And the potentially great character of Barbara Gordon was reduced to a weepy dishrag of a gullible mom and wife, with no agency or voice of her own.

Anyway, about trolls, they'll do whatever they please; if they take it over the line to direct and imminent threats of harm then report it to the police just as you would in regular non-online life.

I disagree with attempts to make the net "safe space" or to ban hate speech by law though I think setting community standards on a site, or your own standards on your own site, are just fine. We get to call out attempts to intimidate us based on our gender and just have to keep pointing out how screwed up they are, and carrying on whatever it is we talk about in public and not be intimidated.

 

 

 

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Liz Henry
lizzard@bookmaniac.net
Contributing Editor, World and Latin America