I liveblogged BlogHer's first of five discussions at SXSW, starring Laina Dawes, Jory Des Jardins, Elaine Liner, Evelyn Rodriguez, Elisa Camahort. Good discussion included some important edge back from the audience, many of whom expressed surprise at Laina's and Elaine's surprise at losing their jobs over their blogs. I agree with Chris Carfi that Jory had a terrific point about how blogs are affecting business communications in general. And this exchange brought the house down:
Laina Dawes: "As a black woman, I blog because I have to. Unless you're Condoleezza Rice, no one cares what you have to say. [talks about being part of a transcultural adoption into a white family.] My parents do read my blog, so I try to keep the profanity down. Wrote a scathing article on Hurrricane Katrina. I had an uncle who felt I was calling my entire family white supremacists... I have to say, it's my life, it's my blog, and I do what I have to do. I cannot restrict what I have to say."
Elisa Camahort: "So you'll say white supremacists, but you won't say fucking white supremacists."
Laughter, as Elisa and Laina howl from the podium.
Here's the play-by-play - please note: I was both listening and typing, so please forgive any sentence rearrangements and/or losses in the threads. All additions/edits/improvements welcome below!
Elisa Camahort opened with the results of BlogHer's survey, "Sex and Money still taboo," of 185 people on whether bloggers feel comfortable outing one's personal life in the workplace. Net-net result: Despite the prevalent media image that bloggers--particularly personal bloggers--talk all about their sex lives, they do have boundaries. Among the results Elisa mentioned at the beginning of the panel were:
Then she asked the crowd how many blog about sex (few hands go up). Then she asks if anyone talks about salary. One hand went up: Liz Henry's. Liz tells the world blogged her entire Social Security income. Why? asked Elisa. "Because it was funny. There were years of zeros." Laughter.
Elisa Camahort "If you worked for a corporation, do you think you would blog the way you do now?"
Evelyn Rodriguez says blogs have been the reason she has been hired, but notes that there's a risk - if they don't like you, then you're out. She doesn't have a way of knowing who has said yes v. no to her after seeing her blog because it's invisible to her. She thinks it works for her. She says it helps her find people "I really do want to work with, it's been a help because it's not a huge shock or surprise who I am."
Elisa: "Have you thought about reducing the amount you blog?"
Evelyn: "People who have written to me who really like the stuff I write, and I write a lot about spirituality too, tend to be venture capitalists and Ceos and attorneys who think oh, another million isn't necessarily going to make me happy. It's taking me in a new direction."
Elisa: "Has anyone ever made a business decision based on a preconceived notion from Googling people online?"
Todd Sattersten: "Yes, it eliminated some candidates. One was trashing their former employer. The odd thing is that the Web site was clearly mentioned on his resume."
Scott Allen. "I did and actually it was a very positive experience. I was writing a book on virtual business relationships. My co-author approached me through one of the Yahoo Groups. One of the first things I did was Google his name... (they ended up writing together)."
Jory Des Jardins: "There was always a dichotomy between my professional and personal lives. I actually was very frustrated with my career until I started combining the two. I was a very frustrated magazine writer in NYC for a couple of years, and ...then when I started blogging, I started hearing from people" who wanted her to write for them.
Laina Dawes: "At work I had to do the step-n-fetch-it routine. When I went home I would blog about race relations. What I made the mistake of doing is that I listed my personal blog site when I applied for an internal positions. ...One day, they turned me down for a raise. I went home and without listing the company' name, I said I really feel a little underappreciated and I would really like to write full time and I'm not sure what I want to do with my life."
Elisa: "Is that fair/unfair?"
Man in the audience: "Does any of us have the right to think that people don't read our blogs? Would you have put this in an email to your boss? If not, I think there's really nothing to be upset about."
Laina: "I don't know why I (was laid off)....I'm very upfront about my blogging on race. I did think some of the people at my work, would be too conservative." But she never mentioned the name of the firm or people there. "I was foolish to a point, but I wasn't that foolish."
Elisa: "It raises a point: Where was...who disagrees?"
Lainie Duro: Just mentioning events that happen at work without mentioning people or place, that seems [going too far]. It's a public space. It's like going to a bar and and then going to work .
Scott Allen again: Do you want to keep working for a place that would fire you for that. Do you want to be in a place that allow that freeedom of impressions. I bet that if Robert Scoble blogged about it, he wouldn't get fired.
Yeah, now he wouldn't get fired, says someone in the audience in an aside.
Laina: "I was very happy to get laid off because I hated my job. ...Instead of worrying about making money and paying off student loans and the stresses that were keeping me in that position, ...it really was a learning experience for me. I will never work in a corporate environment again. I learned from that."
Betsy Devine: "For most of us, our sex lives involve at least one other person, so in many cases it violates then."
Jake McKee: "There's a shift in how much we're able to reveal about ourselves. There's a shift going on between the generations...teenagers that are growing up now, they don't know that separation."
Anastasia Goodstein: "I think some of them think about it and some of them don't. Many of them are grappling with how public they want to be in this medium."
Daniel Terdiman (for CNET.com): "Just like we're adapting to this new medium and how much we put out there about ourselves, do we think that employers are going to have to learn that people are going to do that?"
Elaine Liner: "That was my employer's problem - they didn't have a policy. They didn't know how to deal with it. The easiest thing was not to renew my contract." Her "outing" also sparked a conversation at the Dallas Observer, which lead to a discovery that many journalists there had secret blogs and now they have a daily blog that everyone in the newsroom adds to. "Student athletes are losing scholarships because they have naked pictures on their web site? They're going to have to learn. I taught writing and other media courses at SMU. I decided that instead of them writing journalists, I would have them write a blog. And as long a they were doing it, I decided to do it too. I thought, well, what would I write about? I can't blog about my sex life because one entry a year won't make a blog. Laughter. I have 15 years of stories about live as an adjunct professor. You make the leaast money, you're not invited to the parties. In the past 15 years, I've seen a big shifts in power. I've done three months of mediation for grades I've given, I've heard every excuse. I've heard it, seen it, lived it. On my blog I wrote a lot of flattering heartwarming stories. I also wrote about parents who were [babying their kids,] not treating them as though they were 20, 21 years old....I felt I was through the looking glass. If I were a parent with a kid going to college I would want to know why there are no more Friday classes. It's to accommodate students' drinking schedules. What happened to me, happened in a department where the first amendment has been carved in limestone over the entrance. I took the students outside the building the day fter I found out and said, I'm letting you kow that I'm pretty much being let go. I think it has something to do with something I've written. And later the students came up to me and said, 'We all read your blog.' I said, 'How do you know it was me?!' They recognized how I write. They'd read me.
I was fired because I told their secrets. I make $200 a week on a campus where it costs $35k to send your kids there and the kids drive two cars. I had a point of view, I wrote about a specific thing. I thought this was just happening in my world, in this unique campus. I was wrong. I heard from [professors all over the world] that this was happening to them too.
Elisa to the room: "Do you think what she was writing was grounds for dismissal?"
Guy in short sleeves: "For SMU, yeah."
Jake McKee: "I wouldn't have wanted to do it myself, but from their perspective, yeah."
Elaine: "Nobody was really writing what life was really like on a college campus."
Lisa Canter: "I wonder if they would have had the guts to fire you if you weren't anonymous?"
Elaine: "When the press would go to them and ask [why my contract wasn't renewed], the answer would always change. My favorite was the answer from the chair of my dept: 'Words hurt.' " They tried to sue me. They consulted detectives. The laywers had to confirm that I wasn't a libelist. Member of my department never spoke to me. I think they resented it much more later when I gained some success for it."
Dan: "It was a surprise when Dooce was fired but can it be now?"
Elisa: "How many of you think about it before you post? How many of you don't? (Half and half)"
Redhead: Told her company lawyers she had a blog.
Laina Dawes: "As a black woman, I blog because I have to. Unless you're Condoleezza Rice, no one cares what you have to say. Transcultural adoption from a white family. My parents do read my blog, so I try to keep the profanity down. Wrote a scathing article on Hurrricane Katrina. I had an uncle who felt I was calling my entire family white supremacists. I have to say, it's my life, it's my blog, and I do what I have to do. I cannot restrict what I have to say."
Elisa Camahort: "So you'll say white supremacists, but you won't say fucking white supremacists."
Laughter.
Laina Dawes: "I called my dad and said, what do I do? ? Then I decided I wasn't going to change anything becaue I still meant every word of it. It's what I have to do in order to maintain my sanity."
George Kelly: "How has blogging mattered to you?"
Laina Dawes: "Negrophile was a god-send for me. Finding that online list has been a huge help. 90 percent of the feedback I get is positive."
Audience member: "The reality of the corporate culture is, "hey, we don't want you to be individual. We want you to confm to the corporate culture." Having experienced this ...do you think, 'hey people like me for who I am and I need to work with this. This is an opportunity for me?' "
Jory Des Jardins: "I actually consult to companies who are trying to figure it out. Businesses have become commoditized. The way we distinguish ourselves is by showing some personality. Businesses are starting to get that personality is of value."
Comments
Best liveblog ever
Wow! I bow in awe at your mighty liveblogging skills. Fluid, complete, no spelling errors! Thanks for doing this -- I didn't arrive in time, and I really wanted to go. This gave me a good sense of it.
Topless only?
The blogging naked panel at Blogher last year was my favorite (as someone who wasn't able to attend) and from this bit of live blogging, I'm still loving the topic.
I'm a lot less "naked" online now than I was two years ago. Being naked is what comes naturally to me, being just "topless" isn't. Good thing I like a challenge or I'd be a lot more frustrated than I am now.
I am looking forward to the day when I can bare it all, though. Panels like this will help, I think.
~Denise
Thanks so much for this,
Thanks so much for this, Lisa!
Leslie
BlogHer Contributing Editor, Research and Academia
Proprietor, The Clutter Museum
Freedom of Speech
I really got goose bumps reading this post. The topic is my passion. While I know that Freedom of Speech is not an absolute, I find it very disturbing that it's okay to have people dying in a war for "democracy" -- for us to criticize governments that restrict freedom of speech, when in this country people are not allowed ( even anonymously) to write about what happens on the job without paying a huge conseequence.
I realize that some would argue you have that Freedom of Speech but you don't have a guarantee of a job. I believe if people are threatened with losing their job for sharing what goes on at work then they don't have Freedom of Speech. They have Conditional Freedom of Speech.
Is Freedom of Speech just an ideal for people who oppose the governments we don't like? Is that what we mean by Freedom of Speech?
I can understand businesses restricting people from blogging while at work, or from sharing confidential business issues that could hurt the bottom line, but personnel issues, issues with co-workers, horrible bosses and ridiculous policies should be open to discussion.
Why do businesses get this pass? Why do we allow businesses to get this pass? Maybe if businesses knew they would be accountable, maybe if every day they had to evaluate their decisions by asking themselves...will this pass the test of public scrutiny, then perhaps some of the mischief that goes on would be eliminated. Now there's a concept.
Thanks for the discussion. You made me feel as if I were there.
elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness
Awesome live-blogging!
So many great moments, and I think you blogged them all.
BTW, I'm "Devine" not "Divine". And thanks for quoting my quip about "Our sex lives in most cases involve at least one other person."
"Making trouble today for a better tomorrow"
BetsyDevine.weblogger.com
Made my day
Hi everyone,
You made my weekend with this feedback, thank you! It was very hard to leave SXSW after only one day -- glad to hear I was able to help. :)
Betsy, I corrected your last name spelling, gracias.
Elana, I've been thinking hard about your comment. Especially these paragraphs:
I'm torn between my own fervent belief in the First Amendment -- and my experience (which includes companies run by women) that changing the way an organization works requires working from within, rather than commenting on it in a public space outside. For better or for worse, the only way I've been able to make peace with that dichotomy myself is to work in organizations where I feel I have a forum -- and to leave those where I feel I don't...
Best,
L
Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette
Schools,Colleges Expelling Students Who Blog
Was reading a post at Diva Marketing and she had a link to a fascinating article in USA TODAY about the trend of how schools are using blogs to either, expell,or in the case of colleges deny admissions because of what they have written in their blogs.
The article mentions that the First Amendment doesn't protect students who attend private schools because
So let me add private colleges and schools to my list:restricting free speech is much more dangerous then having a professor's feelings hurt because students are writing unkind things about them in myspace. If I remember correctly, there is such a thing as libel and slander laws.
Maybe instead of focusing on what people can't say, the focus should be on making it easy, fast and cost-effective for people to actually bring a libel/slander lawsuit.It's only when we have that protection that we can enjoy Free Speech.
When the legal profession tells clients that its not worth the effort to file a libel suit, then we find ourselves in a situation where businesses and schools restrict free speech because they can't succeed in getting relief when someone actually slanders them.
The whole thing gives me a stomach ache.
elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness