Feminism and Cultural Relativism
by Suzanne Reisman

The caption on the photo accompanying the May 13th New York Times article, "Love on the Girls' Side of the Saudi Divide," read, "Shaden, who is veiled at 17, spoke with her father as her younger sister looked on in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in March 2008." As I ate breakfast, I stared at the picture. My initial look revealed only a girl who was maybe nine or ten years old wearing a white shirt and black sweater and an older man with a silver mustache wearing white. Where was Shaden? I squinted, pulled the paper closer to my face, and finally noticed her. Covered in the shapeless black fabric of an abaya, I didn't see Shaden at first because to my Western eye she is an utter non-entity, a black void that fills the space between her dad and younger sister. Immediately, I felt sorry for Shaden for her lack of presence. Then I wondered how a different culturally trained eye would see the photo. Would someone from, say, Saudi Arabia notice Shaden first, then her sister and father? (And if so, does that make it OK that Shaden is not allowed to show her face in public, under any circumstances, ever again, because people there still "see" her?)

Melinda at Muslimah Media Watch brought my thoughts about cultural relevancy into sharper focus in her take on the photo:

Accompanying the article is a picture of “Shaden.” Her face covered in black cloth, she sits between her younger sister (whose face and head are bare, as though to contrast with her sister), and her father. Shaden is gesturing with her hands, and her sister looks solemn. Good way to make the father look like a bad guy right off the bat. The caption only identifies Shaden as “veiled at 17.” Interesting wording. First, “veiled” is imprecise. Not all women who “veil” cover all of, or even any of, their faces. (The only photo including a women’s face shows Sara al-Tukhaifi — looking depressed, of course. Unlike the slideshow of laughing men, there are no photos of happy women.)

Second, the photo makes it obvious what Shaden is wearing. What does the caption add by emphasizing her clothing? Well, the passive voice makes it sound like “veiling” was something done to Shaden, and the placement of “at 17” — instead of, say, “Shaden, 17, spoke with her father” — hints at the classic Orientalist tragedy. Veiled at 17, married off at 18 — you know the rest. (I don’t want to deny the reality of this experience, because it does happen. But as far as this article is concerned, it’s not Shaden’s story, so it’s not relevant.)

Cultural respect and relevance in respect to human rights is a very difficult issue. Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that, "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." Despite the gender-specific terminology of "brotherhood," this is taken to mean that all men and women have "the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education." So how does this work if your cultural rights are in direct conflict with your other rights?

I understand very well how Western values are often shoved down the throats of people in other parts of the world, and most times it makes me cringe. Clearly, we have a looooooong way to go before we achieve gender equality, so it is a bit obnoxious for me as a white, upper-middle class woman living in New York City to sit in my dining room bristling at the rigid sex roles people willingly enforce upon themselves in Saudi Arabia. If the women in Saudia Arabia like wearing abayas, what right do I possess to tell them that they are just giving into oppression, particularly if I don't have the same cultural reference point as someone like Melinda? Should I sit back, mind my own business, and not speak out about I perceive to be injustice?

Abayas are only one example of cultural issues that throw my feminist values into a tizzy. Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is another very important one. Muslim Hedonist at Passing in the Mid-West had to explain what female circumcision meant when her daughters heard the term when Fatima, a contestant on America's Next Top Model, admitted that she underwent the procedure while growing up in Somalia:

First of all, what terms do I use?

Do I stay with “circumcision”, as if “female circumcision” is the equivalent of the circumcision done on males? (which it isn’t)

How about calling it “female genital mutilation” (FGM), as some do? That’s more like it, in terms of its effects, but the implication is that the women in question are “mutilated.” What sort of a response does that imply that people should have to them–horror? pity? How many women have I studied alongside and talked with who are circumcised? Probably many, given some of the places I’ve been. But they were all people, not unidimensional “victims.”
Or how about “female genital cutting”? Less judgmental–but also far too sanitized. As if it is some sort of a harmless cosmetic procedure.

Better stick with circumcision for now, I think to myself. Just give them a straight answer for now.

“It means that her clitoris is cut off,” I respond.

I’m oversimplifying things again, I know. There are three basic kinds of female circumcision: the “sunna” kind, where the tip of the clitoral hood is cut off, excision of the entire clitoris (and sometimes parts of the inner labia as well), and the so-called Pharaonic kind, where the entire clitoris and inner labia are removed, and everything is stitched up, leaving a small opening for the passage of urine and menstrual blood. And, the last kind is quite commonly practiced in Somalia. But I don’t want to horrify them...

Why is FGM practiced, really? I don’t find the usual explanations entirely convincing. Is it an attempt to make real, to inscribe on women’s bodies the (straight male) fantasy that women’s sexualities exist only in relation to the penis? To try to do away with the possibility of women finding sexual pleasure without men? To do away with the very mystery of female sexualities–to reduce a boundless sea to the narrow stream of reproduction and satisfying the husband’s sexual “needs”?

What do I tell my daughters? Neither my upbringing nor my life as a practicing, conservative Muslim has given me any real answers.

As with the abaya, FGM is a practice that is ingrained in some cultures. It is usually performed on girls by other women. I can't read a description of the practice, like that supplied by Muslim Hedonist, without burning with anger at its injustice. Yet others will point out that my own culture's embrace of plastic surgery is potentially no less harmful to women than the alterations they perform, so who among us can cast the first stone? (Although believe me, when it comes to my own culture, I throw the stones frequently and with force.)

Joanna Chiu has a very long and interesting post specifically about feminism and cultural relativism that I found quite helpful in thinking through these culture-class issues. She ends by saying:

To conclude, although cultural relativism can bring up factors that complicate or deride efforts to create sustainable change, these factors would exist regardless of whether we acknowledge them. At this point in time, perhaps a re-evaluation is necessary in order to identify the best ways to reach cross-cultural understanding and enable critical analyses of our own culture, in order to stimulate global change from a local level.

I agree with Joanna. At the heart of the matter, I do think it is important to speak out against the abuse of women across cultures and around the world. At the same time, feminists and other human rights activists need to learn how to make our arguments and work against cultural practices that violate human rights through more culturally relevant lenses.

Suzanne also blogs about life at Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Other Rants, about yogurt at Live Active Cultures, and about creating positive social change at Just Cause.

Comments

 

When a culture is deeply abusive

Perhaps cultural relevance is important as a means to get the Western message of human rights across, but some cultures are so barbaric, so cruel and abusive, that I don't see what's wrong with labeling the Western culture as "better" or more just.

I don't see why we need to make an effort to "understand" a violent, discriminating culture. Unless you think it will make our message better heard and accepted. That’s the only reason I can think of.

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Better understanding = change

Yes, I agree with you that something that is obviously abusive is not acceptable. However, I think that without better understanding of a culture, it is hard to create change. The most effective and permanent changes in any society generally come from within. If people shut out others, who despite good intentions, come off as arrogant and judgmental, it is not going to allow for success.

I think a good example is the abaya. Many women like wearing the abaya because they feel protected by it. Without it, women say men stare at them and make them uncomfortable. Of course, in my mind, men have no inherent right to harass or ogle women and the solution is not to hide women for their own safety, but to change social attitudes. That type of change can take eons, so it is important to hear what women are saying about feeling unsafe and find ways to address that while also doing what needs to be done to change broader attitudes. Just telling people, "You shouldn't do this," without figuring out why it is done is just not going to accomplish anything.

Plus, understanding our own culture is critical. It's not like early Western feminists overnight adopted the attitudes we have today! As we learn more about others, we also need to learn more about ourselves and why we have certain beliefs and assumptions. But you are right that it's not OK to say, "well, in their culture, they beat women, so we have to respect that."

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For their own good?

I agree with you, Suzanne, about being careful of kneejerk reactions when it comes to judging the culture of others.

 For example the banning of headscarves in France, for muslim girls.  To me that verges on the racist.  It is an intollerant reaction born out of ignorance and an unwillingness to understand context or the feelings of others.   As soon as you find yourself saying "it is for their own good" you need to get worried!

In our neighbourhood there are many women who wear a type of burqa outfit that cover them complete - even sometimes a veil over their eyes.  The fabric is brightly coloured and patterened and (judging from their husbands) they are black muslims and must be from some northern african country. I am too ignorant to know which one!

They are strange to me because so much of our comunication is through body language and facial expression. And often you find them in Woolworths shopping for lingery wich is a little surreal for some reason.

In a world of jeans and t-shirts, coca cola and 50cents, its so precious to find people who are proud to display their difference.  

I find the whole female circumsition thing horrific though.  And what about cultures who consider the environment to be theirs to exploit? I can think of some "western" cultures who have no problem poluting and poisoning with no thought to the people who share resources with them.  And is it OK for our sangomas to slaughter endangered owls, baboons and hummingbirds for muti?   

There are no easy answers here. 

 

The key is "choice"

If a woman wants to wear an abaya, more power to her. In Saudi Arabia, though, it isn't her choice. A woman must wear an abaya, regardless of what she wishes, or face very real legal consequences. In Saudi Arabia, a woman cannot drive, whether she wants to or not, because she is a woman. The choice is not there.

I agree that banning headscarves in France was an overreaction. That takes the choice to wear them away from girls who want to express themselves and their culture in that particular manner. 

Sure, we can ask what it means that a woman wears certain things or subscribes to certain practices. But that should not be the measure of whether we tolerate it as "right." The measure should be what would happen to the woman if she decided not to do it. 

 

I don't know if it was an overreaction in
France

Europe is facing many problems based on race and religion and there is a battle for control going on....

France decided that the safety of women and women of a certain religion etc was in danger and also a focal point of many problems and that was the action that was decided upon.

 Canada and the US has not seen the HUGE influx of immigrants legal and illegal from many muslim countries that the UK and Europe has.

 

 

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very true

"The measure should be what would happen to the woman if she decided not to do it. "

 I could not agree more.  And you are perfectly right that there is the world of difference if  women are living in places where they face violence or phsycological abuse if they dont follow certain dress codes.

 In Cape Town a girl was recently beaten up at a taxi rank because she was wearing a short skirt.  The men justified this in terms of "she was not showing respect to our culture" - black women should not wear short skirts.

All in the name of culture.  

 But I think its also important to remember those not so obvious aspects of mainstream western culture that also keep women "in their place".  We might not be in purda, and a lot of it is self imposed - but isnt it also very harmful?

 

If western ideals are

If western ideals are "shoved" down other cultures' throats, then I guess to you, people in Hong Kong have now been "brainwashed"?  I recall lots of students from Hong Kong at my alma mater, most as boarders.  Some of my alma mater's traditions are based on those of boarding schools in the United Kingdom.  Many parents actually prefer such a school than public, as it's closer to the traditions back home.     

 

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Reading and misreading a culture

Suzanne, I understand you to be saying that we can strive to understand other cultures on their own terms without abandoning our own moral compass. On this point, I completely agree. Even when it comes to horrifying practices such as female circumcision, we can't engage others constructive if we can't at least understand why people who participate in them find them not only acceptable, but commendable.

It's also important to remember that Islam and Islamic culture ar no more monolithic than Christianity, Judaism and the cultures they influence. I came across an interesting article that describes two competing strains of Islamic revivalism, each with a different view of what's good for women. It's both horrifying and fascinating to me that the intellectual godfather of al Qaida, Sayyid Qtub, began turning against the West when he studied literature in Colorado from 1948 to 1951.

Reportedly, he was alienated not only by the racism he experienced, but also by what perceived as the rampant sexual exploitation of American women. He asserts that women work in the US because men don't live up to their responsibilities to support us.

In my Race Gender and News class, we read a brief excerpt of Qtub's writings on women and discuss it. Here is the passage that always gets a reaction from them:

 And while today we watch the material West preferring women to men in
some professions, particularly in commerce, in embassies, in
consulates, and in information services such as newspapers and the
like, we must not forget the regrettable and unsavory significance of
this advancement. It is a form of slavery and servitude in an
atmosphere of the smoke of incense and opium. It is the employment of
the sex instinct by the tycoons and potentates of the merchant world;
and similarly the government sends women into embassies and consulates,
and newspaper editors send women to glean news and information. All of
them are merely attempting to make use of women; and they know what
success a woman can have in these fields. They know, too, what she must
give to achieve her success. And even if she gives nothing -- which is
an absurd supposition -- they know what hungry passions and eager eyes
are on the watch about her body and about her reputation. But they take
advantage of women's hunger for material gain, and for some slight
success; for humane and noble feelings are far, far from them."

Last fall, one of my students who had gone on exchange in Egypt pointed out that from what he saw. males and females live largely sex-segregated lives there. He suggested that men such as Qtub probably had little casual interaction with women outside of his family, and even that contact would probably have been constrained by the larger culture. That made it easier to understand why Qtub could so easily misread our culture. 

Kim
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Exactly what makes it so difficult

Kim, I think you hit the nail right on the head as to why it is so difficult for Western feminists to make more effort to understand other cultures and work within their framework versus just demand change. Reading that passage is so alienating to me, I want to scream. In some ways, it is just too frustrating to set aside my own biases when it is clear that other people are not interested in doing the same. To me, Qtub's interpretation of why women work is so slanted and irrelevant, and yet, the important thing is to read between the lines and understand why he thinks that way. It is just easier to throw up our hands in defeat, and of course, that is exactly what we should NOT do. Listen and learn, and we can make better progress according to what people want and need, if that makes sense.

It's also interesting that a completely separate discussion of this post took place over on one of the blogs sited in the post. They people who posted there had some very interesting points, and in many ways I was discouraged that no one chose to make them here in conjunction with the post. Again, if people don't feel like their views are welcome for whatever reason , it's hard to find understanding because we aren't even engaging each other.

I'm really interested in how feminism manifests itself across cultures (both within and outside of the western world), and I hope that this conversation continues. There's a Birds of a Feather session for feminism & gender at the BlogHer conference, and I'd like to address this topic if others are interested in it.

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
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I have to remind myself, too, that it was 60
years ago

Hi Suzanne,

I know what you mean. At the same time, I remember that even in the West, women were being pushed back into the home after WWII. When I was in high school, it was routine to hear people say that men should be given a preference in hiring over women, "because they have families to support," and women presumably didn't, or had husbands. So the historical context of Qtub's observation is relevant too. Now the fact that there are people who still think that way is another matter.

 

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

 

Misread perhaps..but a fascinating look at

what we consider the norm or us fighting for equality... 

 

 

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